(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[1x30 byo-yomi] GN[Shusaku Cup 2011 round 1 board 1]PW[In-seong Hwang ]PB[Cornel Burzo]WR[8d]BR[6d]DT[2011-03-25]PC[Tirgu Mures, Romania]US[HW9x9]C[Excalibor [10k\]: greetings! ^^ this is gonna be exciting :) SoDesuNe [3k\]: Doesn't In-seong always win? =P cherisse [-\]: cool match! Excalibor [10k\]: well, he doesn't *always* win Excalibor [10k\]: but he does usually win, yeah :-P dxxd [-\]: csaba mero won against him recently dxxd [-\]: which makes it not surprising he won also against the pro yesterday Excalibor [10k\]: really? cool... dxxd [-\]: ...there was 3 handicap stones :) dxxd [-\]: ^_^ Excalibor [10k\]: well, still, at 3 handi, not that bad :-) eatramen [-\]: SUPER MATCH emerus [2k\]: is hwang familar because of kgs? eatramen [-\]: his handle is crowis mrkai [2k\]: ??? mrkai [2k\]: what happen???? eatramen [-\]: and maybe EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Redcliff [6k?\]: :o eatramen [-\]: place your bets kids hockey [1d\]: don't see anything eatramen [-\]: and get your ramen flavored peanuts while you at it! odnihs [-\]: hwang will win for sure Punani [13k\]: hajime~! rustybrain [1d\]: lazy players ? HoTing [1d\]: cornel thinking deeply about his fuseki NorthWind [4k\]: hmm, low table. I wonder if they like it eatramen [-\]: cornel isnt even at th etable atm :p eatramen [-\]: *the table HoTing [1d\]: ..chatting with some gurl NorthWind [4k\]: his style coach :D HoTing [1d\]: it begins... eatramen [-\]: dang i have to go soon eatramen [-\]: and i was looking forward to watching this eatramen [-\]: how eatramen [-\]: lamzorszzz Mebninja: hi Ocyl [14k\]: hi Ocyl [14k\]: ich hab dir ne nachricht geschickt eoen [2d\]: Where is this match played? HoTing [1d\]: big audience on eurogotv! dmf [11k?\]: tg mures, romania eatramen [-\]: romania Mebninja: was ist denn 1d ? Ocyl [14k\]: der rang Mebninja: kommt nach k ? Ocyl [14k\]: nach genau Mebninja: ok eoen [2d\]: In-seong Hwang is a male or female? HoTing [1d\]: he a dude Ocyl [14k\]: (lass mal bitte im nachrichten fenster schreiben, die leute wollen bestimmt nicht alles mitlesen) Punani [13k\]: transgender TianNoGo [5k\]: yay eatramen [-\]: i didnt know cornel was so young TianNoGo [5k\]: hwang got promoted to 7d Mebninja: wie das? TianNoGo [5k\]: ah 8d TianNoGo [5k\]: hes male eatramen [-\]: i thought highest egf rank was 7d eatramen [-\]: o.0 HoTing [1d\]: looks like electricity in the air Ocyl [14k\]: (geh mal ins fenster, wo die ganzen reiter sind, also laufende spiele etc, da müsste oben rechts ein fenster offen sein) dbfgbdfds: HAI-DE RUMANIA! HisokaH [-\]: Don't scream please dmf [11k?\]: how much time do they have? 60 mins? NorthWind [4k\]: the clock has arrived ! MaLa [3d\]: 8d? did Inseong turn french? Redcliff [6k?\]: lol hockey [1d\]: this invisible go is hardly exciting HoTing [1d\]: I wish I had a free afternoon to watch this Mebninja: yeah ^^ Mebninja: invis-go dbfgbdfds: where is this cup taking place? HoTing [1d\]: they play no-colour go dmf [11k?\]: no-stones go NorthWind [4k\]: Romania dmf [11k?\]: no-clock game dbfgbdfds: oh, they asians come all the way to Romania? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry it takes so long HoTing [1d\]: ashun will win MaLa [3d\]: they live in europe caglar [3k\]: i wish too HoTing (: EuroGoTV1 [-\]: everybody is waiting to start eng60340 [8k\]: who are the players ? gfdhff [-\]: where is Romania ? I know only where USA is Mebninja: :D gfdhff [-\]: im from texas MaLa [3d\]: it is not in the US Mebninja: :D hockey [1d\]: 2 very strong chinese pros have been sent to shusaku cup gfdhff [-\]: sorry that m stupid gfdhff [-\]: im us HoTing [1d\]: all my exes live in Texua MaLa [3d\]: somewhere else, any further description wouldnt help you anyway HoTing [1d\]: Texas EuroGoTV1 [-\]: actually the USA is in Romania chrpa [1d\]: haha NorthWind [4k\]: in Europe Aquarius [?\]: u are killing me :D ] ;B[pd]C[jojongs1: uhh sai da frente ] ;W[dp]C[gfdhff [-\]: Europe is country ? Mebninja: wow caglar [3k\]: yeap gfdhff [-\]: and romania city ? caglar [3k\]: vav hockey [1d\]: suddenly went blitzing Lehmbruck [1k\]: poor cornel KoReNJe [3d\]: hello ] ;B[qp]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: kgs world jojongs1: they are kyus jojongs1: :D NorthWind [4k\]: Romania named after the Romans KoReNJe [3d\]: hello hairy ] ;W[oq]C[Redcliff [6k?\]: romanians are also italian EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oh no.....KoReNJe....^^ gfdhff [-\]: Ceaser Palace in Las Vegas is cool ! jojongs1: w+200 gfdhff [-\]: it is ancient building eoen [2d\]: What a relax atmosphere eoen [2d\]: Like a friendly game hockey [1d\]: Q5\\ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 dmf [11k?\]: omg, annoying kid NorthWind [4k\]: relaxed until somebody loses a stone :) ] ;B[cd] ;W[qf]C[jojongs1: is he japanese or chinese? BinX [-\]: or an eye Lehmbruck [1k\]: kr dmf [11k?\]: i think korean eatramen [-\]: soryy if someone asked before but how much time do the players have? FreeDoom [1d\]: i see warping stone on the eurogotv :) jojongs1: he will win so jojongs1: :D KK ] ;B[qm]C[eatramen [-\]: ?_? jojongs1: where cornel EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sound and picture ok? ] ;W[nc]C[NorthWind [4k\]: yes eatramen [-\]: he's off being polite Yaoundee [4k\]: sound? eatramen [-\]: sound? KoReNJe [3d\]: cornel looks like some gangester EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pls let me know if something is not ok EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Redcliff [6k?\]: should i register for eurogo? dmf [11k?\]: euro, how much time do they have? KoReNJe [3d\]: euro, I hear cars in the backgorund hanniibal [4k?\]: tak tak ok ^^ eoen [2d\]: Can you ask if he takes of his jacket? AncientGo [8d\]: good for w Ludmila [4k\]: good cam :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1 hour + 1x 30 sec NorthWind [4k\]: in fact very good cos we can see both players and the board ! dmf [11k?\]: thank you Yaoundee [4k\]: oh I will watch it live then^^ jojongs1: the camera is not hd -.- eatramen [-\]: thank you KoReNJe [3d\]: also why is hwang dressed so much Yaoundee [4k\]: thx, eurogotv Badduck [5d\]: r7 a bit special? MXHero [3d\]: r7 seems so passive so soon KoReNJe [3d\]: someone undress him ndn [1k\]: inseong is a very elegant young man hockey [1d\]: r7 is great move MaLa [3d\]: eurogotv, pls undress inseong Aquarius [?\]: too cold for him :) eoen [2d\]: EuroGoTV, are you Dutch? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yep HisokaH [-\]: r7, common move coffeehero [9k\]: who won the dutch tourny last month? eoen [2d\]: You went all the way to Romanian just to please us viewers? ] ;B[oe] ;W[qc]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yep yinon [13k\]: is it cornel from kgs? eoen [2d\]: Woow :) Thank you FreeDoom [1d\]: kgs moves arrive 10 sec before video :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yep yinon [13k\]: isn`t he higher dan? jojongs1: cornel was laughinj KoReNJe [3d\]: I don't get it... Lehmbruck [1k\]: I learnt p15 is bad shape... ? NorthWind [4k\]: Cornel was on here yesterday kibitzing KoReNJe [3d\]: it's cold and they have fans in their hands... KoReNJe [3d\]: what's the point of that jojongs1: runing away jojongs1: :D EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ok, i will stop the tv feed for a few seconds so the lag will be less pancake [3d\]: fans are super-cool don't you know? kmr [2k\]: hiding themselves jojongs1: eurogo here is no lag MXHero [3d\]: yinon, european ranks are stronger than KGS ranks in general jojongs1: perfect camera pancake [3d\]: you're not even close to awesome if you don't even have a fan Bolko [1k\]: fans, male or female? Sefirotj [7k\]: Hey ! eatramen [-\]: trdition is the point of the fans hockey [1d\]: cornel plays on wbaduk tgoo hockey [1d\]: and IGS eatramen [-\]: *trdition Sefirotj [7k\]: Put the video back coffeehero [9k\]: lol ] ;B[ec]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: back hockey [1d\]: cornel is on several go server a lot of the time jojongs1: no video = no fun EuroGoTV1 [-\]: refresh ] ;W[cj]C[Sefirotj [7k\]: cool thx EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now less lag FreeDoom [1d\]: nice now video have perfect timing!! :) jojongs1: cornel is eating something jojongs1: hehehe ] ;B[fq]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: no hd video :( yinon [13k\]: how do i see video? ] ;W[er]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 chrpa [1d\]: this e2 is played now very often Geoy [7k\]: Inseong plays quick Ludmila [4k\]: heuu je voulais dire en français: quelle camme ! MaLa [3d\]: and he is still dressed MaLa [3d\]: :( yinon [13k\]: thx eatramen [-\]: crowis is in the zone now jojongs1: hey ... buy some 1080p camera? jojongs1: =-D MaLa [3d\]: you want to buy for eurogotv? gfdhff [-\]: Go Pro Hd MaLa [3d\]: thats nice of you gfdhff [-\]: this is very nice camera KoReNJe [3d\]: I am poor jojongs1: i can buy dmf [11k?\]: and then you'll have 10 min lag eatramen [-\]: Go Pro isnt the camera for this jojongs1: for eurogo MaLa [3d\]: go ahead OnTheWay [2k\]: Eurogotv are you harry or another transcriber? wildaxt [2k\]: i think im spinning( what german people say when they didnt learn english correctly)... no hd stop trolling pls KoReNJe [3d\]: if I had a mansion and a new mercedes, I'd buy him a new camera :p EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Harry EuroGoTV1 [-\]: TV2 has a better camera eatramen [-\]: i think this e2 reply phased cornel a bit pancake [3d\]: but we like tv1 better /o\\ eatramen [-\]: he wasnt expecting it FreeDoom [1d\]: suggest cornel a move now that in-seong is away :P OnTheWay [2k\]: ok, do you have the correct game of the match Csaba Mero vs the pro from yesterday? e.g. Did Mero help to complete the file? jojongs1: q13 ] ;B[lq]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: hairy, what do you do for a living? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, game is on EuroGoTV news and in the SGF section fatihsulak [?\]: q6 jojongs1: harry potter? sameasyou [2d\]: http://desprego.ro/cupa-shusaku-2011-ziua-i/ here are the correct games from yesterday MXHero [3d\]: at this point i wonder if q6 will be responded to normally (at r6) jojongs1: man this beeps are annoying :D FrodosGban [8k?\]: YES i made it to the match! =) ] ;W[pn]C[NorthWind [4k\]: we saved you a seat FrodosGban [8k?\]: how kind of you =) sameasyou [2d\]: crowis making the sente wall and will play j4 in the end MXHero [3d\]: p4 looks like fun maybe dbfgbdfds: how do you rewind moves on KGS? sameasyou [2d\]: Cornel seems one step behind here dbfgbdfds: the buttons dont work EuroGoTV1 [-\]: which buttons? MXHero [3d\]: db, you can clone the game or view it offline OnTheWay [2k\]: just view offline or clone the game Mebninja: the back buttons :( dbfgbdfds: back/forward Yaoundee [4k\]: not here not now dsaun [2d\]: db, in a demo game (like this), if you have the cgoban client you can options/; view offline NorthWind [4k\]: can't rewind on a relay dbfgbdfds: ok Excalibor [10k\]: you have to view offline, as this is a demo game EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 FrodosGban [8k?\]: can anyone explain m3? why not n3 dsaun [2d\]: Excal, i think that works only with the Cgoban client Mebninja: ok, thx eatramen [-\]: 2 space low pincer is popular Pinguschaf [?\]: n3 would have been fine aswell eng60340 [8k\]: on camera, it seems white is more confident. eatramen [-\]: prevents b from getting pressed down, but thats when tr4 is at q4 eatramen [-\]: so im not sure dbfgbdfds: have they met before? who won? eatramen [-\]: *r4 eoen [2d\]: r6 is a ok move? pancake [3d\]: r6 is normal dbfgbdfds: r6 looks like only move, bar some p4 crazy fight pancake [3d\]: what's he thinking bout? FreeDoom [1d\]: p4!! eatramen [-\]: r6 seems to make w get away with too much pancake [3d\]: p doesn't seem to promising pancake [3d\]: p4 jojongs1: p4 looks like horrible sameasyou [2d\]: r6 then r3 then s3 then q4 then b defends and w gets j3 or j4 MXHero [3d\]: p4 is another variation, but neither look good to me! eoen [2d\]: p4 cannot be right MaLa [3d\]: dbfgbdfds: have they met before? who won? <<< 4:0 for inseong up to now dbfgbdfds: oh :)) dbfgbdfds: my money on w then Laza [7d\]: Harry, are there any pairings onthe internet? fernobob [2k\]: cornel really good Geoy [7k\]: taisha taisha dmf [11k?\]: p4 ] ;B[op]C[sameasyou [2d\]: no pairings online yet Laza sameasyou [2d\]: u can check here http://www.shusaku.ro/cupa2011.html# eatramen [-\]: do you like ramen sameasyou? Laza [7d\]: thx george :D sameasyou [2d\]: yes...I live to eat ramen gigazord [14k\]: so much MSG eatramen [-\]: good so you can keep your username then sameasyou [2d\]: thanks...u're generous KoReNJe [3d\]: why is weakaza 7d here :S NorthWind [4k\]: I wonder what W wants as a local result here eatramen [-\]: ^^ Laza [7d\]: korenje, u r so dead :D jojongs1: where is csaba? KoReNJe [3d\]: I remember when laza was 1d or something Laza [7d\]: when i se u dbfgbdfds: what does the winner of this cup get? KoReNJe [3d\]: were were sleepin in the same room in bled Pinguschaf [?\]: in this case m3 looks better at n3 jmw327 [20k\]: what are they holding in their hands? sameasyou [2d\]: an apartment in Manhattan jojongs1: hmm jojongs1: haha kurpikurpi [1k?\]: northwind: w should be pretty flexible, seeing that b played one move more in the corner LovroKlc [-\]: Laza let him be. an idiot is idiot eoen [2d\]: What options does what have? q4 seem difficult sameasyou [2d\]: sometime an idiot can be two idiots KoReNJe [3d\]: lovro kreten LovroKlc [-\]: hvala ;) Laza [7d\]: koji debil :)) FreeDoom [1d\]: have to q4 ishiforce [5k\]: hane o4 Harmony [-\]: please keep it about the game, or at least not this silliness FreeDoom [1d\]: hane at o4 bad kurpikurpi [1k?\]: i mean w should be flexible about what he wants from the corner... eoen [2d\]: q4 is disaster LovroKlc [-\]: pa da. vid mu info :D KoReNJe [3d\]: što kurpikurpi [1k?\]: maybe he could just tenuki eoen [2d\]: r6 maybe Laza [7d\]: hahaha: Laza [7d\]: )) LovroKlc [-\]: ma ništ sve 5 korenje. super si mi ti :) goren2 [7k\]: o4 obviously jojongs1: why the hell cornel looked for the other game? Draxt [2k\]: r3 FrodosGban [8k?\]: why obviously? kurpikurpi [1k?\]: o4 tries to suicide and also create another heavy group StefanRadu [1d\]: o4 q4 r6 are the options.. ] ;W[np]C[sheeryjay [2k?\]: Is it normal that romanian seems kinda like russian or other slavic languages? ] ;B[oo] ;W[pq]C[ishiforce [5k\]: see I knew it MaLa [3d\]: makes you almost 8d MaLa [3d\]: but just almost StefanRadu [1d\]: r5? eoen [2d\]: When it is played, doesnt mean it is good dbfgbdfds: romanian has major influences from slavic languages, yes dbfgbdfds: but it's roman, like french or italian hanniibal [4k?\]: ^^ sameasyou [2d\]: sheeryjay u're clueless :)...romanian is a latin language like spanish, portuguese, italian or french...russian is a slavic language like serbian, bulgarian etc Patmol [3d\]: the korean guy really looks like a manga character dbfgbdfds: lol kurpikurpi [1k?\]: have to just trust that w got it handled Patmol [3d\]: and he plays super fast KoReNJe [3d\]: a Patmol [3d\]: must be thinking on b time eoen [2d\]: Kaga? jojongs1: b Patmol [3d\]: Kaga!! jojongs1: kaga?!? jojongs1: where is kaga? KoReNJe [3d\]: kaze? Aquarius [?\]: kappa ] ;B[qo]C[jojongs1: kappa mickey? TheChemist [3k\]: romanian is slavick? Patmol [3d\]: that's why he doesnt open his fan dbfgbdfds: video url? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 zerzer: overconcentrated ? dbfgbdfds: thx sameasyou [2d\]: no, romanian is latin jojongs1: r3.... :D ] ;W[no]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: gypsi language TheChemist [3k\]: ohh ok that what i wnated to say Patmol [3d\]: (both of them has fan? what's the temperature over there??) TheChemist [3k\]: hhehehe MaLa [3d\]: fans makes you one stone stronger MaLa [3d\]: -s EuroGoTV1 [-\]: outside really warm, compered to Holland where i came from Patmol [3d\]: (Kaga is a character in Hikaru No Go, for those who doesnt know) jojongs1: thats hillarious EuroGoTV1 [-\]: inside air conditioning MaLa [3d\]: and intimidates your opponent sameasyou [2d\]: gipsy is a dialect that resemble indian korenje eoen [2d\]: Fans look better on asians, i must say sheeryjay [2k?\]: sameasyou, yea, I know, that's why it surprised me that I almost understood what was said in here, but then again I didn't realize that Laza is Slovenian :) KoReNJe [3d\]: .. kmr [2k\]: white get too good result i think chrpa [1d\]: gipsy language sameasyou [2d\]: Laza is slovenian? jojongs1: cornel is so slow jojongs1: .... KoReNJe [3d\]: serb sameasyou [2d\]: though Laza is serbian eoen [2d\]: r16 for black ok now? sameasyou [2d\]: thought* fatihsulak [?\]: r3 bigger than o6/p6? Laza [7d\]: yes, serbian :) zerzer: j4 ? Yaoundee [4k\]: isn't a fan considered a weapon in Far East? engelchen [1d\]: slow venian ? sheeryjay [2k?\]: Oh, sorry. KoReNJe [3d\]: if he was slovenian, he'd be 10d here KoReNJe [3d\]: but not the case erna [7k\]: r3 to me Patmol [3d\]: w looks like 'pfff... what is b thinking.. doesn't he know it's over??" jojongs1: if he was african , he'd be 9p here eoen [2d\]: Does anyone here got lessons from Cornel? sameasyou [2d\]: I did NorthWind [4k\]: who will blink first and grab r3 -_- EuroGoTV1 [-\]: great teacher sameasyou [2d\]: I still do kmr [2k\]: white will grab r3 jojongs1: cornel burzo is getting pwned jojongs1: =s eoen [2d\]: Nice, let's hope your teacher wins jojongs1: "he looks like": mmmm that strong korean guy.. im ridiculous but i will try -.- dammit" jmw327 [20k\]: how did you get lessons from him? sameasyou [2d\]: heh...Cornel position is not the greatest at the moment:) Patmol [3d\]: In-Seong is really strong.. but Cornel is strong too fernobob [2k\]: w just escaped Punani [13k\]: euro link ? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 emerus [2k\]: i want to watch Punani [13k\]: thx emerus [2k\]: ty KoReNJe [3d\]: hwang looks cool with those squareshaped glasses sameasyou [2d\]: jmw u ask for lessons and he gives u lesson :) Patmol [3d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 but u have to register OnTheWay [2k\]: harry both your sgs and the sgf at http://www.shusaku.ro/cupa2011.htm is wrong from the mero csaba vs pro game jmw327 [20k\]: on kgs? OnTheWay [2k\]: you can easily see it when b passes around move 242 sheeryjay [2k?\]: but usually you have to pay :) erna [7k\]: Does w have a kgs nick? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: give me the correct sgf then pls KoReNJe [3d\]: yes OnTheWay [2k\]: :-) sheeryjay [2k?\]: white used crowis nick Harmony [-\]: crowis is one KoReNJe [3d\]: hwaing is inseong KoReNJe [3d\]: or something sameasyou [2d\]: anywhere u want...he likes KGS the most for teaching...smart client OnTheWay [2k\]: I would if I could.... dbfgbdfds: cornel strength went down after he had the kid erna [7k\]: oh, tx emerus [2k\]: white famous on tygem? sameasyou [2d\]: for example yesterday we played on Tygem dbfgbdfds: that's what family does to your go... OnTheWay [2k\]: you have to ask mero csaba.... emerus [2k\]: why do i know his name so well? KoReNJe [3d\]: or crowis :p Patmol [3d\]: oh ] ;B[nn]C[Patmol [3d\]: hane jmw327 [20k\]: wow, i didnt know that, thats pretty cool eng60340 [8k\]: the korean is pretty intense when he thinks FreeDoom [1d\]: j3 to prevent split attack? eoen [2d\]: EuroGoTV, could you zoom in both faces for a second? dendarfi [1d\]: i thought hwang was a pro. he plays many blitz Ludmila [4k\]: maybe not hane without m3 ? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, sorry, i cannot sit behind the camera today eoen [2d\]: thx anyway KoReNJe [3d\]: fan hui is still number 1 european player :) dbfgbdfds: w came back from military or too young yet? KoReNJe [3d\]: hwang is 2nd best in whole europe fernobob [2k\]: catalin taranu is the best fernobob [2k\]: you can tell ebcause he has the best accent KoReNJe [3d\]: no Laza [7d\]: lol korenje, what do you know.... dbfgbdfds: catalin the cutest, but not the best :) fernobob [2k\]: also he plays pretty well Houbahop [?\]: m4 ? KoReNJe [3d\]: fan hui has the highest rating jmw327 [20k\]: what is cornel's kgs nick? OnTheWay [2k\]: does jan simara play in this tournament? emerus [2k\]: it's cornel goren2 [7k\]: n3 ] ;W[mn]C[Patmol [3d\]: hmm w took is time for this one MaLa [3d\]: 3 moves away from 8d, so 5d eoen [2d\]: n3 bad idea kurpikurpi [1k?\]: n5 tempting Laza [7d\]: cut MaLa [3d\]: 3 lines away i meant EuroGoTV1 [-\]: n7 dendarfi [1d\]: R16 is getting big Laza [7d\]: n7 m5 HisokaH [-\]: lot of to think patmol KoReNJe [3d\]: does fan hui still play go? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ok, cut first Adriano [3d\]: n4 ^^ Laza [7d\]: ;) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ emerus [2k\]: wow the stream isnt that exciting dbfgbdfds: w dressed like a silly teenager ^^ emerus [2k\]: i was expecting blue flames and loud club music EuroGoTV1 [-\]: why? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol dbfgbdfds: how old is w? NorthWind [4k\]: emerus, you watch too much tv MaLa [3d\]: sorry, blue flames and club music only for eurogotv vips Chilltime [2d\]: 27 or so MaLa [3d\]: somehow they have to make money emerus [2k\]: i dont have tv Mebninja: :D jmw327 [20k\]: lol eoen [2d\]: n5 possible? kurpikurpi [1k?\]: why not Houbahop [?\]: o3 kurpikurpi [1k?\]: w makes a lot of atari and b gets an outside position Psykofil [8k\]: 38 in a few days eoen [2d\]: o3 seems a terrible move MXHero [3d\]: n4? Harmony [-\]: o3 fails as far as I can see Hanatarash [4k\]: i dont get n4 lol^^ Adriano [3d\]: n4 probably the best cut, but doesn't seem proper ] ;B[qq]C[eoen [2d\]: o7 hurts now? FieldMouse [6d\]: yes eoen [2d\]: so why? Laza [7d\]: this is painful for q Laza [7d\]: *w helpimlost: it's about time Patmol [3d\]: I'd like stronger player to comment this position Harmony [-\]: o7 doesn't hurt too much I think MaLa [3d\]: well, B has 1.5 stones more here... Patmol [3d\]: is b or w ahead for the moment? Harmony [-\]: w would still have a ton of cuts MaLa [3d\]: so what did you expect? The8th [1k\]: inseong sure is travelling a lot.. NorthWind [4k\]: W will prob k3 or something complicated kurpikurpi [1k?\]: if w could counterattack on the lower side, this would be ok for white... Slayan [7k\]: Is Cornel Burzo the one Cornel of KGS? qrqr [2d\]: yes Harmony [-\]: yes Hanatarash [4k\]: yup svgo [2k\]: the one, the only Slayan [7k\]: ok nice Harmony [-\]: no other Cornels allowed :p dendarfi [1d\]: R3 is strong EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, he is the Cornel from IGS The8th [1k\]: live-Link? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Yao Wang 6p ] ;W[ip]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 erna [7k\]: here we go ..... FreeDoom [1d\]: they are really predictable...ù The8th [1k\]: thx pancake [3d\]: haha, every amateur would think of how to fix their shape Patmol [3d\]: w seems rather happy with this move pancake [3d\]: white just attacks kurpikurpi [1k?\]: how about n4 now? Hanatarash [4k\]: forth line cause: "since when do we attack from the third line"? Hanatarash [4k\]: low kyus always would play something lie k3 kelemenz [2k\]: why not try N4 sameasyou [2d\]: n4 ] ;B[nq] ;W[mq]C[terrence [1k\]: n4 ] ;B[mp] ;W[nr]C[Harmony [-\]: ah this one ] ;B[mo]C[FreeDoom [1d\]: hummm.... FreeDoom [1d\]: don't like it ] ;W[nq]C[goren2 [7k\]: r2? dendarfi [1d\]: b resists it seems erna [7k\]: going for a kill? Hanatarash [4k\]: r2 no way dendarfi [1d\]: L4 Mentalist [7d\]: L4 probably only move Hanatarash [4k\]: b is much to weak erna [7k\]: m2 Hanatarash [4k\]: l5?? kelemenz [2k\]: Black is not attcking but creating a living shape Slayan [7k\]: the best solution for b is to be save now no? kelemenz [2k\]: SUhc as K4 FreeDoom [1d\]: y not directly l4 ? ] ;B[kp]C[kelemenz [2k\]: L4- L5 bad shape msyrver [2d\]: l4 l5 looks worrying Houbahop [?\]: l5 ? Geoy [7k\]: white has to think about life, too dendarfi [1d\]: bad for w imo ] ;W[lr]C[zum [-\]: tell that to w ] ;B[kr]C[FreeDoom [1d\]: cornel thinking "ok you are pro.. but i can kill anyway" MaLa [3d\]: just that he isnt pro qrqr [2d\]: seems kinda brutal MaLa [3d\]: ... eoen [2d\]: ko haltija [-\]: n1 lives FreeDoom [1d\]: so y the 8d? basicpract [-\]: n1 q2 p1 ? FreeDoom [1d\]: he is ama champ? MaLa [3d\]: he is egf 7d MaLa [3d\]: nothing else dendarfi [1d\]: N1 is too painful amazato [2k\]: n1 p1 MaLa [3d\]: for some funny reasons they call him 8d at this tourney Excalibor [10k\]: Seok-bin is also 8d FreeDoom [1d\]: hooo so i was giving him unreasonable credit :P kelemenz [2k\]: Pop isstronger Rom. ama than Cornel Excalibor [10k\]: I think it's a deference eoen [2d\]: Alive in Ko? dendarfi [1d\]: J4 seems overplay EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Hanatarash [4k\]: w alive if he wants MaLa [3d\]: seok bin is also egf 7d, which somehow experienced the same funny promotion as inseong Hanatarash [4k\]: 20kyu tsumego lol Harmony [-\]: w is super alive, question is which way he chooses goren2 [7k\]: r2 FreeDoom [1d\]: i hate when opponent go away during game... MaLa [3d\]: its their time, not yours kelemenz [2k\]: living with ogte for white is losing kelemenz [2k\]: got Hanatarash [4k\]: this look not that good for w, right? pancake [3d\]: still black's shape really sucks qrqr [2d\]: yes, but it's kinda stupid if someone seems to have better things to do than play the game qrqr [2d\]: or be interested in it NorthWind [4k\]: could play ko I suppose ] ;W[mm]C[Harmony [-\]: w "I have a ton of threats" Hanatarash [4k\]: there is no ko NorthWind [4k\]: could be if he wanted OnTheWay [2k\]: Eurogotv1 I pm you EuroGoTV1 [-\]: k DriX [9k\]: that is kim? Hanatarash [4k\]: j3 first? Hanatarash [4k\]: i would not p6 against a 8dan here lol Patmol [3d\]: b tobi! erna [7k\]: I would:) ] ;B[kn]C[sameasyou [2d\]: fiiiiiiiight!!! emerus [2k\]: ooooh emerus [2k\]: didnt hwang give a 5dan 6 stones and win? pancake [3d\]: 4 stones it was Hanatarash [4k\]: he notq erna :D pancake [3d\]: he won on time emerus [2k\]: nono emerus [2k\]: he gave a 3dan 9 stones! pancake [3d\]: that as well pancake [3d\]: but he didn't win I think EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lost by 20 Koukkaaja [3d\]: :) emerus [2k\]: oh lost by like 10 zerzer: white position not very pleasant... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: or 10 yes Hanatarash [4k\]: o i can give a 3 dan 9 stones too ] ;W[qr]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: and might not win^^ emerus [2k\]: might not have any stones alive emerus [2k\]: :P Patmol [3d\]: alive! zerzer: gote! jc11: w L1 better Hanatarash [4k\]: jc11???? Patmol [3d\]: L1 helps also b sith the F3 stone jc11: and then jc11: r2 Patmol [3d\]: I mean L1 then b k2 helps the connection and the attack of J4 Slayan [7k\]: b can't kill now hanniibal [4k?\]: S2 P6 Patmol [3d\]: and after all there's nothing better than R2!! Hanatarash [4k\]: b has to invade or pull out f3, right? Patmol [3d\]: (R2 akways help Luke out) zerzer: time to r16 ! Hanatarash [4k\]: i would attack j4 now TheChemist [3k\]: Cornel has no concentration today kelemenz [2k\]: R2 aims at P6 then S6 TheChemist [3k\]: looks to every person who passes by jokep [7k\]: TheChemist, I thought the same thing emerus [2k\]: he's scared that someone will see his hole cards Hanatarash [4k\]: h3? orro [1d?\]: that's because both his wife and girlfriend are present with him at the tournament kavias [3k?\]: tenuki kavias [3k?\]: tenuki Hanatarash [4k\]: only one grilfriend? msyrver [2d\]: I think r2 is sente against r4 svgo [2k\]: can't tenuki here chrpa [1d\]: is pairings already online? chrpa [1d\]: *are :) ? caglar [3k\]: time? iceball [1k\]: can you watch this on live? NorthWind [4k\]: yeah svgo [2k\]: s2 looks normal here caglar [3k\]: yeap Hanatarash [4k\]: isnt the left w side a bit to huge? ( i know corner isnt safe.. but) chrpa [1d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 caglar [3k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 iceball [1k\]: thx Hanatarash [4k\]: something like h2 /h3 to slow? msyrver [2d\]: Perhaps s2 s1 ko because of p6 svgo [2k\]: can't play away from the action, and the action is in the corner after L6 NorthWind [4k\]: fans available at the bookstall at reasonable prices :) ] ;B[on]C[Patmol [3d\]: hm Hanatarash [4k\]: simple and i hope its good^^ Patmol [3d\]: it's not simple svgo [2k\]: hmm, perhaps the ko would have been too much for b Hanatarash [4k\]: looks so nnatural now sameasyou [2d\]: b still sente Hanatarash [4k\]: anyway i havent really got the corner aji Patmol [3d\]: every move is simple, it's just a move.. it's the thinking behind it Patmol [3d\]: he doesnt connect because "it's seems the way" ] ;W[km]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: wow patmol... really= Patmol [3d\]: it' because there really are problems if he tries something else svgo [2k\]: whoa, does w have time for this? DriX [9k\]: kim? Hanatarash [4k\]: this are a lot ao floskels Hanatarash [4k\]: like kageyama zerzer: is S2 sente ? svgo [2k\]: kill kill kill dendarfi [1d\]: if b had played S2, then R6 S6 S7 d have been dangerous ] ;B[jn] ;W[rr]C[Inko [3k\]: honte svgo [2k\]: b gets sente, but what's big? dendarfi [1d\]: R16 is getting big Hanatarash [4k\]: is it really sente? zerzer: j8 is big emerus [2k\]: r16 pancake [3d\]: still can't really attack j4 properly grimmjow1 [1d\]: k7 simply ? emerus [2k\]: not that attacking j4 is worth anything emerus [2k\]: it's light jokep [7k\]: shouldnt B play around f5 ? ] ;B[jm]C[emerus [2k\]: i like f5, but play f2 first mb pancake [3d\]: true, but black's shape sucks, so sooner or later some trouble will arise there :p Mebninja: why didnt he try to get the right down edge? kostuek [-\]: j4 aji sux a lot emerus [2k\]: yeah zerzer: nice call grimmjow1 dendarfi [1d\]: R16 jokep [7k\]: also e2 aji emerus [2k\]: it makes moves there seem uninteresting but i guess they are big. grimmjow1 [1d\]: =) ] ;W[kk]C[zum [-\]: i give p uninteresting for k interesting any time ... kelemenz [2k\]: Now M8 jokep [7k\]: why? kimball [4d\]: sooner or later b will play c6 i'd predict kelemenz [2k\]: double cut threat Hanatarash [4k\]: something like p9? kostuek [-\]: m8 too interesting maybe dbfgbdfds: b seems more solid NorthWind [4k\]: smoke clears and W seems better. amazing dbfgbdfds: but my money still on w :) Patmol [3d\]: k9 ] ;B[jk]C[jokep [7k\]: ok, m8 is a double threat ... but what do you gain by plaing it? dbfgbdfds: what makes you think w seems better atm? FieldMouse [6d\]: white has miai r8 and lower right Harmony [-\]: a warm fuzzy feeling, and that's worth a lot! emerus [2k\]: white has the territory in bottom right Patmol [3d\]: why is it this difference in time between here and eurogotv? NorthWind [4k\]: lower left, top right emerus [2k\]: and top right and bottom left emerus [2k\]: are strong kostuek [-\]: cuz of relativity ] ;W[jj]C[Patmol [3d\]: no Hanatarash [4k\]: lower let isnt terrotory ] ;B[ik]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: left* DriX [9k\]: c6 jokep [7k\]: Patmol, lol, define "here" :D jokep [7k\]: hihi NorthWind [4k\]: no but he will make it cos of weak f3 dbfgbdfds: j4 is placed at such a nasty spot... annoying msyrver [2d\]: You mean, why do the clocks here read 60:00? This is a demonstration that EuroGoTV1 is relaying, and time does not move in a demo Hanatarash [4k\]: b always can ive up f3 emerus [2k\]: the video move is like 10 seconds before kgs NorthWind [4k\]: sure and W can give up j4 Patmol [3d\]: msyrver no why w already played and yet here he hasn't ] ;W[kj]C[emerus [2k\]: but in reality, ustream is about 10 seconds behind real life dbfgbdfds: i guess time goes faster in romania Hanatarash [4k\]: just said: its not really territory DriX [9k\]: all of you Hanatarash [4k\]: ^^ DriX [9k\]: you know Bembelbote [-\]: f3 isnt weak, only overconcentrated EuroGoTV1 [-\]: great internet here DriX [9k\]: starting from april DriX [9k\]: kim Patmol [3d\]: hmm thx EuroGo svgo [2k\]: b can get into the left now, but hard to see how he makes cash DriX [9k\]: will review jokep [7k\]: where is the cup being played? what city? DriX [9k\]: high dan Cassis0 [6d\]: b aim is not clear DriX [9k\]: games Cassis0 [6d\]: he should f2 FieldMouse [6d\]: b sure aims for f2 Vogel [2d?\]: where is this touney? emerus [2k\]: if b f2 Patmol [3d\]: thx kostuek [-\]: b needs to do something about p15 soon emerus [2k\]: will white consider f5? dmf [11k?\]: jokep, targu mures, romania jokep [7k\]: thx Patmol [3d\]: w f2 is also big ] ;B[dn]C[kelemenz [2k\]: Marosvásárhely (Targu Mures) Cassis0 [6d\]: I mean k9 is not clear zum [-\]: whoz targu? dendarfi [1d\]: maybe b L6 was too slow ] ;W[eo]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Tirgu Mures Vogel [2d?\]: thx kelemenz [2k\]: Tragu measn market zum [-\]: whoz tirgu? Hanatarash [4k\]: maybe l6 was so urgent^^ kelemenz [2k\]: Targu ] ;B[ij]C[jokep [7k\]: Tirgu Mures is a city in romania dbfgbdfds: and mures is a river kelemenz [2k\]: Mures: a river therer zum [-\]: Romania... wholy crapola sameasyou [2d\]: and I am an island clydesdale [2k\]: I am a rock zum [-\]: do they play go there? Patmol [3d\]: EuroGoTv, there was a kid with a Card around his neck was he a player? mkeller [6k\]: so Marosvásárhely is the hungarian version? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes Patmol [3d\]: it was few minutes ago eoen [2d\]: People with cards are press Patmol [3d\]: oh who is he? sameasyou [2d\]: yes Mkeller qwazidan [4k?\]: b stones upper right begin to look lonely dbfgbdfds: yes it's a region of romania dominated by hungs ] ;W[en]C[mkeller [6k\]: ah ok mkeller [6k\]: thanks Syptryn [5d\]: hmmm niether black or white's wall is very effective here kelemenz [2k\]: Yes originally it was 0 100 % Hungarian town, now 50- 50 zum [-\]: hungs? Hokusai [3k\]: dominated...:))) zum [-\]: hungs like orcs? Cassis0 [6d\]: I don't see walls, just weak groups... FieldMouse [6d\]: -F sameasyou [2d\]: romanian cities that have hungarian population 20% or more also have hungarian names and hungarian is used in official circumstances jokep [7k\]: zum, how old are you? jokep [7k\]: strange questions jokep [7k\]: read! zum [-\]: FMouse is the goproblems god!! ] ;B[dk]C[Syptryn [5d\]: that's why they're not very effective :P FieldMouse [6d\]: ) Patmol [3d\]: Cassis0.. who is currently leading? Countess: Is TheCount playing? Hightime [2d\]: that would be w ] ;W[dj]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: boah nice schoulder hit zum [-\]: jok: sorry i not know much suff like you Hanatarash [4k\]: at least it looked cool NorthWind [4k\]: Dracula ? ] ;B[ek] ;W[ck]C[Syptryn [5d\]: well definately better than d-8 dbfgbdfds: well other regions are dominated by gypsies, but romani is not the official language there :) vasilica: ce invata astia la scoala! auzi, TgMures 100% maghiar :-) Syptryn [5d\]: it was nice move zum [-\]: vasi: fuuny language dmf [11k?\]: de parca pe noi ne invata ceva mai impartial vasilica: lol Cassis0 [6d\]: I don't know on the board, but I worship In seong hwang haltija [-\]: d7 only move kelemenz [2k\]: I meant 100 % 100 years ago Cassis0 [6d\]: so my answer wouldnt be objective :) Inko [3k\]: so party was the night before ... ] ;B[dm]C[vasilica: kelemen, las-o tata balta hockey [1d\]: is cornel champion yey hockey [1d\]: yet? Inko [3k\]: i'm sure cornel didn't go to bed at 9:00 Hanatarash [4k\]: everythink loos attackble^^ Hanatarash [4k\]: looks* kavias [3k?\]: kelemen is right Hokusai [3k\]: :)) vasilica: :-) StefanRadu [1d\]: pretty even now. ADASD: HOW ABOUT C15 FIRST svgo [2k\]: if neither can build anything in the middle, white seems ahead on cash jokep [7k\]: W g4 ? ] ;W[ej]C[sameasyou [2d\]: kelemens there is no such thing as a 100% :)...that simply good sense...u can say hungarian population was the majority and be right or u can exaggerate with 100% and look stupid...but it's uour choice Hanatarash [4k\]: w can attack r7 first and later q16 msyrver [2d\]: How does w respond to m8? Hanatarash [4k\]: i prefer w Cassis0 [6d\]: well white is doing points, black not dbfgbdfds: rom vs. hun .. here we go nationalism :)))) FrodosGban [8k?\]: g5 kelemenz [2k\]: yes e.g. jews were everywhere vasilica: good point, sameasyou kostuek [-\]: f9 chicken? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i always look stupid dmf [11k?\]: who won last year? sameasyou [2d\]: vasilica I really don't need your support :)...I don't agree with ur position either vasilica: you don't have it anyway :) Patmol [3d\]: no it's not a good point, it's an out of context point, it sure is true.. but here is a game go showing.. ] ;B[gk]C[kelemenz [2k\]: anyway Tg. Mures is one of few cities ehre i can use Hungarian lang. in a shop or rrestaruaant ang get an answer ] ;W[em]C[sameasyou [2d\]: kelemenz there are more such cities Patmol [3d\]: Ancient go: Anything to say about the game? ADASD: E10 IS TOO SOFT EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 chrpa [1d\]: its actually interesting kelemenz Aquarius [?\]: time ? Hanatarash [4k\]: c3 has aji Inko [3k\]: seems w is pushing b around msyrver [2d\]: Yes, I feel b has failed with d6 ] ;B[el] ;W[cl] ;B[dl]C[TheChemist [3k\]: People please, this is a go game discussion. Let's focus MaLa [3d\]: its obv not a gogame discussion Isobeutel [4k\]: very bad result for b svgo [2k\]: b is solid Hanatarash [4k\]: why? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, who wants to support my pro Kadaffi movement? sameasyou [2d\]: Cornel shape is a lesson in How not to :) Hanatarash [4k\]: b did well F525 [5k\]: B doesn't seem that bad to a 5k's eyes. kostuek [-\]: what is a go game? TheChemist [3k\]: Should be anyway MaLa [3d\]: b has a solid powersquare Hokusai [3k\]: sameasyou, what's the difference between KGS and FACEBOOK?... ;) Harmony [-\]: I'm going with Cassis and saying I prefer W Harmony [-\]: but I have a similar worship problem kimball [4d\]: yes bad, too many stones doing nothing ] ;W[cg]C[clydesdale [2k\]: power square lol dendarfi [1d\]: G9 seems bad shape F525 [5k\]: Then I'm going to have to be non-conformist and favor B. Hanatarash [4k\]: r16 now ] ;B[md]C[F525 [5k\]: Like a true hipster. kostuek [-\]: now take this sente and crush him b svgo [2k\]: ooh kelemenz [2k\]: I think Kadhafi is worst than Hitler, ADolf would not attack German peolple with tanls Harmony [-\]: when In-seong plays, I watch and try to learn how to play like that :p dendarfi [1d\]: C13 seems underextended Harmony [-\]: this ends, right now kelemenz [2k\]: tanks F525 [5k\]: ... What did I just do? The board just zoomed in and I can no longer see the grid numbers and letters. kmr [2k\]: F9 make black had b2 bomber and win automatically:) ] ;W[qd]C[F525 [5k\]: How do I fix this? sameasyou [2d\]: q13 svgo [2k\]: press ctrl-L and keep it pressed lilomar [10k\]: f525: press ctrl-l pancake [3d\]: delete system 32 F525 [5k\]: Thanks. kostuek [-\]: alt-f4 jokep [7k\]: format c: F525 [5k\]: I deleted system 32. pancake [3d\]: :) dbfgbdfds: now delete system ofadown jokep [7k\]: :) Ulath [4k\]: good, now throw the computer by the closest window ] ;B[jh]C[F525 [5k\]: Is there any way of expanding the board by shrinking the entire right-hand panel? Koukkaaja [3d\]: who needs 32 systems anyway svgo [2k\]: quiet or you'll get harmonized EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ Ulath [4k\]: @F525 : I don't think so ] ;W[lh]C[Harmony [-\]: :) eoen [2d\]: still everything possible dbfgbdfds: n17 so juicy Hanatarash [4k\]: c3 any aji?? Hanatarash [4k\]: plss NorthWind [4k\]: I don't get why f3 and j4 are unimportant. a play at g5 seems quite big to me Cassis0 [6d\]: b is still not doing points Patmol [3d\]: you're right kostuek [-\]: go is not about points F525 [5k\]: R11! hockey [1d\]: w is 2010 winner ] ;B[pg]C[Patmol [3d\]: it seems w is saying now it's time to settle while b attack Cassis0 [6d\]: indeed kosuek, it's about love kostuek [-\]: i think so Ulath [4k\]: :-) Mebninja: :D benou [1k\]: its not about life ? Patmol [3d\]: but w making points is dangerous for his center stones right? Mebninja: its about peace!!! Mebninja: and communication Ulath [4k\]: O10 ? kelemenz [2k\]: I think Inseong would win this position eith either color Patmol [3d\]: depends on the opponent NorthWind [4k\]: guests are just for amusement kostuek [-\]: right now l10 a bit weak, so b may crush him edwatson [4k\]: can't black make some forcing moves against the white centre group and in so doing make some territory on the right side? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 The8th [1k\]: board 2 is as interessting as board 1 since it is cho-seok bin, still twice more people watch board "1"... pancake [3d\]: edwatson, hardly, cause it's white's turn :) pancake [3d\]: he'll fix the group I suppose edwatson [4k\]: ok Cassis0 [6d\]: best way to make points is not touching at the white center group Cassis0 [6d\]: white will add moves alone Hokusai [3k\]: b playng around it... Cassis0 [6d\]: q13 is a nice move Houbahop [3d?\]: i would have touched the center group ^^ Harmony [-\]: best attack is the "hoho, I'm gonna attack you, you better play gote before I do" :) Ulath [4k\]: u mean the center groupe isn't in danger ?I wouldn't like B n10 for example caglar [3k\]: is black happy? Cassis0 [6d\]: n9 is the vital point Harmony [-\]: gote dame, that is Ulath [4k\]: I was close ^^ kostuek [-\]: i wonna l14 Inko [3k\]: looks like an even position to me Inko [3k\]: maybe w slightly favorable Harmony [-\]: Cassis : agree that the game pretty much depends on what B gets out of this? Cassis0 [6d\]: not so even, d8 shape is too weird ] ;W[lf] ;B[cp]C[StefanRadu [1d\]: id play something around p11 now if i was w. Hokusai [3k\]: ce zici vasilica? Harmony [-\]: if W handles this too well I don't think B has enough kostuek [-\]: damn it edwatson [4k\]: i'd take the black pieces, but only if In-seing hwan started playing like a 4k ] ;W[cq]C[vasilica: ce sa zic? Cassis0 [6d\]: probably harmony Syptryn [5d\]: hmmm I think blacj looks fairly good here Hokusai [3k\]: cum ti se pare?:) Hokusai [3k\]: partida.. Adin [1d\]: ce-ar fi sa discutati in privat? ] ;B[mj]C[vasilica: te deranjam? vasilica: uita-te in stanga Cassis0 [6d\]: 4k > 6d Cassis0 [6d\]: :p Hokusai [3k\]: sau in dreapta jokep [7k\]: isnt n9 the vital point? :) ] ;W[ji]C[vasilica: poate-ti dau niste fum in ochi :-) pancake [3d\]: why would n9 be the vital point here anyway 0_o hanniibal [4k?\]: what level Hwang and cornel in kgs jokep [7k\]: because a 6d said so! NorthWind [4k\]: mouse slip Harmony [-\]: oh nice EuroGoTV1 [-\]: after this round the Chinese TOP pros will play Artem and Cornel Adin [1d\]: la urmatoarea replica de genul asta, iei ban Ulath [4k\]: is playing with a fan in the hand a romanian tradition ? I saw catalin taranu doing the same pancake [3d\]: if b n9, w n10 vasilica: ce tare e asta! Hokusai [3k\]: oau.. kostuek [-\]: there are more then one vital points pancake [3d\]: that would be weird, kostuek :) ] ;B[kh] ;W[li]C[Hokusai [3k\]: nici de partida nu mai avem voie sa discutam frate... kostuek [-\]: that is Cassis0 [6d\]: iit was n10 yeah vasilica: muschi :) Hokusai [3k\]: ca suntem exclusi, :))) ] ;B[ii]C[jokep [7k\]: but didnt we just say, B shouldnt touch this group? StefanRadu [1d\]: vasilica, andi, adin e admin pe kgs, e jobul lui sa pastreze "linistea" , probabil va recomanda sa discutati despre partida in engleza. kostuek [-\]: o11 Ulath [4k\]: hey black played my vital point ^^ StefanRadu [1d\]: nu va mai suparati:P svgo [2k\]: what about r13? ] ;W[ni]C[kavias [3k?\]: pai si tu de ce o ziseshi pe romaneste? :) Cassis0 [6d\]: what kind of language is this? Cassis0 [6d\]: esperanto? Aquarius [?\]: :D kavias [3k?\]: kind of pancake [3d\]: romanian I suppose? Vogel [2d?\]: ne gfdhff [-\]: texan kostuek [-\]: n13 TheChemist [3k\]: Latin language anyway svgo [2k\]: old french jokep [7k\]: the chair and table combination looks quite uncomfortable to me, btw kavias [3k?\]: Romanian Ulath [4k\]: lol zum [-\]: so romanians speak... jokep [7k\]: poor players TheChemist [3k\]: italian or romanian RoundTuit [2k\]: not italian Ulath [4k\]: romanian looks closer to latin than french Ulath [4k\]: I never noticed before TheChemist [3k\]: They come from old latin oposed to portuguese french and spanich. zum [-\]: the language that looks :0 RoundTuit [2k\]: yeah... so close to Latin, I can almost think I understand it EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Harmony [-\]: French looks much more distant from latin than Romanian, Spanish or Italian do for sure Harmony [-\]: doesn't sound very latin either dendarfi [1d\]: hard for b to make points Houbahop [3d?\]: Would b have played now the exchange n10 o11 ? TheChemist [3k\]: No way...I can uderstand lots of word just knowing Portuguese and Spanish kmr [2k\]: French has gramatic that has nothing common with latin:/...almost dendarfi [1d\]: difficult posit imo TheChemist [3k\]: Just sound different dendarfi [1d\]: for b RoundTuit [2k\]: who knows what Latin actually sounded like? ] ;B[pj]C[TheChemist [3k\]: But the grammar is very close kelemenz [2k\]: Romainan language was modernised in 19th century by borrowing a lot from French Harmony [-\]: there are some guesses based on evolutions svgo [2k\]: hmm, now r13 looks big svgo [2k\]: for both Cassis0 [6d\]: french morphology has changed some times, contrary to italian or spanish Hanatarash [4k\]: ... Harmony [-\]: yes ] ;W[pi]C[jokep [7k\]: hane? ] ;B[qi]C[Inko [3k\]: no other way pancake [3d\]: what's 'morphology?' Nino [1k\]: interessting. suddenly the black q16 group looks much weaker and the white center groups seems to be stronger dendarfi [1d\]: cross cut Lesmian [1d\]: learn wenedyk, guys. useful language ] ;W[ph]C[Patmol [3d\]: w is like "so I'm playing here"! "or euh not yet.." ... "Yes here!" ..; "not yet" lol Suteishi [5d\]: dendarfi crosscut is overplay there Patmol [3d\]: he put three times his hand in the bawl Suteishi [5d\]: you won't gain anything after B just extends to R12 dendarfi [1d\]: this seems better like this Inko [3k\]: b made some points here dendarfi [1d\]: cut weak stones kurpikurpi [1k?\]: points not good enough since b got a lot weaker around p15 Suteishi [5d\]: R12 seems natural but Inko [3k\]: has to r12 i guess pancake [3d\]: r12 won't give a good result RoundTuit [2k\]: no alternative? zum [-\]: so romania is dominated by hungs, huh? fabz [12k\]: eurogo will you show us on kgs those games with Artem n Cornel against the chinese players... and who are those chenese players ?? TheChemist [3k\]: ... pancake [3d\]: q10 was bad helpimlost: isn't w only going to cut anyway? r12 no point... Ulath [4k\]: r12 leave kind of miai between cutting point r10 and L16 I'd say (after r13 reply) Kuzuryusen [3k\]: n17 maybe ? ] ;B[qh] ;W[qg] ;B[nh]C[jokep [7k\]: p11 svgo [2k\]: hey now ] ;W[oi]C[MaLa [3d\]: only powerful shapes today kelemenz [2k\]: there are 1.5 Million Hung.s and 4 million Gypsies ] ;B[mi] ;W[mh]C[jokep [7k\]: p10 eoen [2d\]: hmmm ] ;B[oj]C[kavias [3k?\]: and an increasing number of chinese ] ;W[og]C[StefanRadu [1d\]: m wants m8? StefanRadu [1d\]: b* zum [-\]: so hungs less than gypsies zum [-\]: romania dominated by gypsies kostuek [-\]: b wants undo ] ;B[pf]C[helpimlost: haha kavias [3k?\]: my advice people, english is good but start learning chinese RobinUpton [1d?\]: m8 seems like small area now surrounding B stones strong TheChemist [3k\]: Yeah zum [-\]: and the hungs dominated by gypsies as well TheChemist [3k\]: In jun Im beginning TheChemist [3k\]: *June RobinUpton [1d?\]: Something like M17 area may be more interesting pancake [3d\]: what are hungs anyway? Patmol [3d\]: kavias.. no it's the bresil now that will change the economic world in the next years Harmony [-\]: how about we concentrate on the game and not the romanian demographic? zum [-\]: who dominates the gypsies? Ulath [4k\]: I'd play L16 StefanRadu [1d\]: enough with the talk about gypsies Koukkaaja [3d\]: women kavias [3k?\]: yes, but Brasil is buyed already by chinese :) Patmol [3d\]: bought! Exo [17k?\]: p14? kelemenz [2k\]: i could answer but our moderator seems angry kavias [3k?\]: ok kavias [3k?\]: sorry Inko [3k\]: o14 Patmol [3d\]: np Patmol [3d\]: I'm from France so I'm surely making a lot of mistakes too HOTSKILLS [1k\]: cornel pro? Lodurr [-\]: no eoen [2d\]: well Patmol [3d\]: nop kurpikurpi [1k?\]: cornel is cornel pancake [3d\]: yes he is, the p just decided to turn upsidedown for a bit :) CBlue [?\]: is cornel HOTSKILLS [1k\]: but isnt its pro cup? Lodurr [-\]: nope Inko [3k\]: no kurpikurpi [1k?\]: pro cup with an ama vs ama game... pancake [3d\]: in europe.. CBlue [?\]: does artem play? kostuek [-\]: in n15 i trust EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the pros will play cornel and artem after this game kavias [3k?\]: from 2012 will be a pro competition in Europe Patmol [3d\]: there's no such thing as pro in Europe CBlue [?\]: w00t!!# EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i will relay the games to kgs and igs Lodurr [-\]: wow, showmatch with Artem, nice kurpikurpi [1k?\]: w can't do anything before he captures o12 Ulath [4k\]: Fan and Motoki are not playing ? jc11: p12 kelemenz [2k\]: My greatest sport diplomacy achievemnt was that in the las round of euro team go champ. we could play against France instead of netherlands. Yet the french won by 4:0 CBlue [?\]: motoki was 6d ama right? HOTSKILLS [1k\]: but shusaku cup in japan? fabz [12k\]: artem plays very often on kgs Artem92 Harmony [-\]: opponents for the showmatches are decided in advance? erna [6k\]: Does Pop participate? Patmol [3d\]: oh there's seems to be a kind that doesn't want to go back home Exo [17k?\]: isn't this cup in romania? Patmol [3d\]: kid*** Ulath [4k\]: they are 2 or 3p and 7d, but may be not interested I don't know Patmol [3d\]: pop participate hockey [1d\]: so dense these people fabz [12k\]: motoki is 7 i think EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Pop plays kurpikurpi [1k?\]: the pope plays go? wow ] ;W[ng] ;B[nj]C[erna [6k\]: thanks ] ;W[oh]C[CBlue [?\]: good for kami no itte Patmol [3d\]: yeah the Christian Pop Patmol [3d\]: :) ] ;B[pc]C[erna [6k\]: ^^^ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Dusan Mitic Syptryn [5d\]: hmmm ] ;W[qj]C[Ulath [4k\]: "my" cut ^^ kurpikurpi [1k?\]: b is getting slowly more and more uncomfortable ] ;B[rj] ;W[qk] ;B[rk] ;W[rg]C[base [-\]: i like how black's sitting ] ;B[rh]C[Syptryn [5d\]: Hwang Inseong looks like some sort of dark knight TheChemist [3k\]: hahaha ] ;W[sh] ;B[ri] ;W[nd]C[kurpikurpi [1k?\]: if b succeeded in center, he could use the situation there to make profit on the top... but now w looks around the top side for chance to take initiative Inko [3k\]: place looks dark everywhere ] ;B[ne]C[Syptryn [5d\]: black in serious trouble now ] ;W[me]C[Ulath [4k\]: but Hwang darker kelemenz [2k\]: black makes profit ... for white Koukkaaja [3d\]: i did not understand q17 ] ;B[qb] ;W[rb]C[Greliear [2k\]: q17 was setup for r15 ko ] ;B[ob]C[kavias [3k?\]: from my 3k level I thing the game is equilibrated kavias [3k?\]: think Harmony [-\]: balanced* MilanMilan [9d\]: M16? Syptryn [5d\]: there is ko in corner Syptryn [5d\]: but white captures first kurpikurpi [1k?\]: t18 ? Syptryn [5d\]: and I can't see nay relevent threats for black kavias [3k?\]: same kurpikurpi [1k?\]: for ko kostuek [-\]: if w is good at l&d MilanMilan [9d\]: double ko kavias [3k?\]: but I am 3k so... Aquarius [?\]: 0. Inko [3k\]: we can see your rank kavias Inko [3k\]: dont beat yourself up kavias [3k?\]: :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 fabz [12k\]: I didnt get the answer of my questions so i looked for and the chenese strong pro that will play are Niu yutian 7P Wang Yao 6P Syptryn [5d\]: actually is there ko? ] ;W[nb]C[eoen [2d\]: what a daring move Reym [-\]: m16 leads to double ko? Inko [3k\]: all in :) Syptryn [5d\]: r-15 sente for white jc11: r19, then m16 ] ;B[ra] ;W[rc]C[Ulath [4k\]: S15 ? kurpikurpi [1k?\]: w says it's just dead kenjiro43 [6k\]: isn't B dead up there? kostuek [-\]: isnt b a bit dead RobinUpton [1d?\]: D3E3 is powerful for b, isn't it? - might do for ko threat hockey [1d\]: is b champion yetg? Ulath [4k\]: yes, white is too after S15 perun [6d\]: t18 s19 s15 r15 s17 was one ko, wasnt it? Ulath [4k\]: but white has a bigger eye TheChemist [3k\]: S15? No svgo [2k\]: either way the game is pretty much over after this CBlue [?\]: what are artem's chances to win against a pro? 10% or 1% ? Muramasa [1k\]: where is the place of Shusaku Cup ? Syptryn [5d\]: where is website? pancake [3d\]: depends which pro CBlue Syptryn [5d\]: is there actuall pros in comp? kostuek [-\]: artem will destroy them all EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 3 stone handi svgo [2k\]: how much time is left? Greliear [2k\]: perun - isn't white r15 sente though? erna [6k\]: ha ha ] ;B[le] ;W[mf]C[Harmony [-\]: even vs Lee Sedol, I'd say 1% is generous ] ;B[lc]C[Aquarius [?\]: + Aquarius [?\]: -+ hanniibal [4k?\]: s15 r15 t14 t13 t16 and semiah Ulath [4k\]: not a chess game, Aquarius :) trippin [6k\]: can b win this fight? kurpikurpi [1k?\]: you'd have to find a way to make lee sedol take a game against some young european amateur seriously before making that kind of assumption... zum [-\]: seems b lost trippin [6k\]: o18 is not in danger? Ulath [4k\]: M18 ? Aquarius [?\]: . Aquarius [?\]: 5+2 Aquarius [?\]: 0-+ Aquarius [?\]: .-+ dendarfi [1d\]: O18 wasn t the easier variation ... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Yutian Niu 7p will play artem and Yao Wang 6p cornel, both 3 stone handi trippin [6k\]: so aquarius is implying w has more libs and will kill b? CBlue [?\]: 7p... well how old is he? :-p Cassis0 [6d\]: ko? Aquarius [?\]: */-+ Syptryn [5d\]: where is pros in first round? kurpikurpi [1k?\]: does bin take 3 handi too ? Aquarius [?\]: -740200.01/8520+ eoen [2d\]: Difficult to read out TheChemist [3k\]: other game black won with 0,5 Aquarius [?\]: -*+-+-+-*+-*+ TheChemist [3k\]: cool CBlue [?\]: handicap is based on EGR ? kostuek [-\]: just peep it and think later svgo [2k\]: ☺ helpimlost: how much time do the players have left? kurpikurpi [1k?\]: peep seems like self-destruct kostuek [-\]: thats the wax of go EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry, it will be 2 stone handicap games kostuek [-\]: way CBlue [?\]: nice, 3 is too much Inko [3k\]: o17 dead Syptryn [5d\]: where can I find details of pro comp? CBlue [?\]: 2 is just what we need :) base [-\]: i should be in bed. F525 [5k\]: S15 works for B? jc11: w s15 Patmol [3d\]: Time Please EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Yutian Niu 7p will play artem and Yao Wang 6p cornel, both 2 stone handi after this game Ulath [4k\]: m18 L18 n17 m16 L17 L16 looks good for white Patmol [3d\]: How many time is left? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 erna [6k\]: yuo msyrver [2d\]: r15 is w's sente, and I imagine w liberties from eyespace will outdo b's frailty Ulath [4k\]: S15 should fail (I guess he would have played it ? ^^) Syptryn [5d\]: m18 l18 l17 l16 n17 k17 m16 Syptryn [5d\]: ko? erna [6k\]: you said 3 handis before?! EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black in byo yomi white 5 min left helpimlost: thank you EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, pros are afraid erna [6k\]: you said 3 handis before?! F525 [5k\]: How many byou yomi and how long? Syptryn [5d\]: is't that just anmat comp? F525 [5k\]: 3x30? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes 3x30 Hendrix [1d\]: b doing ok? F525 [5k\]: Thanks. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes he is hanniibal [4k?\]: black s15 r15 t14 s13 t16 and semi aih patatrac [3d\]: it looks ko HOTSKILLS [2k\]: in seong pro? Geoy [7k\]: w r15 is sente GoGnom [2d\]: i think m18 l18 l17 works Fleymen [3k\]: No, In Seong is an amateur Inko [3k\]: looks like m18 leads to ko Patmol [3d\]: Is it possible to know how many time is left to both player Patmol [3d\]: ? msyrver [2d\]: "black in byo yomi white 5 min left" Kuzuryusen [3k\]: black in byo white min TheChemist [3k\]: black is in byo yomi ] ;W[lb]C[svgo [2k\]: now the tv is ahead ] ;B[kb]C[Patmol [3d\]: hedid hane? ganzegall [7k\]: only from host Patmol [3d\]: thx msyrver, sorry Eurogotv I didn't see your answer with all the "bla-bla" ikizukuri [2k\]: cross cut ? Patmol [3d\]: how long is byo-yomi? 3à sec per move? Ulath [4k\]: what's wrong with n17 and then cut at L17 ? graou: it looks like whoever wins this fight wins the game Syptryn [5d\]: cut msyrver [2d\]: Yes msyrver [2d\]: Well, 3x30 RobinUpton [1d?\]: l17 now interesting for W - looks good, gognom Fleymen [3k\]: Byo-Yomi 3*30 ] ;W[kc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: crosscut is the shape move ] ;B[kd]C[GoGnom [2d\]: thx Syptryn [5d\]: I thought black was going o connect :) Ulath [4k\]: why is it the shape move ? (I guess I will have my answer soon :) ) Cassis0 [6d\]: ko... Syptryn [5d\]: n17 LeoMar [5k\]: ko? Robert0987 [11k\]: so many observers! o.O ] ;W[jc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: its the shape move because b n18 is poisoned Hendrix [1d\]: oh!? not n17 ] ;B[mb] ;W[mc]C[svgo [2k\]: this is a humongous ko g19x19 [8k\]: lol ] ;B[la] ;W[ld]C[Flexo [-\]: video cut off? fountain [1d\]: In-somehting go! goren2 [7k\]: s154 gogonuts [5d\]: L16 was desperate Ulath [4k\]: (I have my answer ] ;B[qe]C[Ulath [4k\]: black cen just defend and kill white after) Syptryn [5d\]: is this a good threat? ] ;W[re] ;B[md]C[Syptryn [5d\]: looks like terrible threat... Swifft [3d\]: i don't think so... ] ;W[ql]C[LovroKlc [-\]: are there results anywhere? Mech91 [7k\]: f8 Syptryn [5d\]: surely black hard beter options ] ;B[rl] ;W[ld]C[gogonuts [5d\]: losing the ko is not an option ... Ulath [4k\]: t13 tildebis [-\]: it is an option for one of them at least trippin [6k\]: a ko may only have one winner Ulath [4k\]: hum no, white would take r15 ] ;B[rf]C[kurpikurpi [1k?\]: unless it's a triple ko ] ;W[sf] ;B[md]C[RobinUpton [1d?\]: If s15, What does W have in the way of local threats? ] ;W[fl]C[LeoMar [5k\]: black has no kill threats for o2 group, does he? Kuzuryusen [3k\]: connect ko ? Ulath [4k\]: now losing the ko is an option for white, he is alive hockey [1d\]: w still not resign? ] ;B[ld] ;W[fk]C[Cassis0 [6d\]: ouch ikizukuri [2k\]: wow Hendrix [1d\]: 20 points or so? ikizukuri [2k\]: over Muramasa [1k\]: m13 ? Syptryn [5d\]: about 27 StefanRadu [1d\]: b want it all ] ;B[kf]C[Hightime [2d\]: q15 maybe gogonuts [5d\]: w q15? ] ;W[mk] ;B[df]C[hanniibal [4k?\]: q8 lol KoReNJe [3d\]: what does that do? goren2 [7k\]: d14 big? Hightime [2d\]: nothing Syptryn [5d\]: yes Robert0987 [11k\]: wp9? kostuek [-\]: the nightmare of a weak group gogonuts [5d\]: w has too much already kostuek [-\]: was coming to w ] ;W[eg]C[Ulath [4k\]: black seems to be taking all upper side Ulath [4k\]: this is a lot, too hanniibal [4k?\]: m13 peux tuer ] ;B[dg] ;W[ef]C[Syptryn [5d\]: black needs 30 points top left Syptryn [5d\]: ouch gogonuts [5d\]: e14, lol ] ;B[eh]C[Syptryn [5d\]: e-13 nice move trippin [6k\]: oh snap trippin [6k\]: here comes a fight Syptryn [5d\]: I don't think black is reasonable here Hightime [2d\]: no Hightime [2d\]: pain svgo [2k\]: he has to be unreasonable if he's behind TonyTiger [5d?\]: but he has to play this way hanniibal [4k?\]: m13 kill ? Levvo [-\]: This a stream? gogonuts [5d\]: b has no reason to be reasonable ] ;W[fh]C[goren2 [7k\]: what pain? stop saying pain with regard to go, pls... kavias [3k?\]: I don't think m13 can kill Ulath [4k\]: video is slightly delayed ; strange ] ;B[dh]C[TonyTiger [5d?\]: it's reasonable to be unreasonable Robert0987 [11k\]: it cant kill trippin [6k\]: its rational to be unreasonable Robert0987 [11k\]: w p9? Cassis0 [6d\]: w has j12 in mind? ] ;W[fi]C[Syptryn [5d\]: butbut black isn't really behind.. Syptryn [5d\]: well before.. Levvo [-\]: Could someone link the videofeed please? ^^ ] ;B[gf]C[trippin [6k\]: he must cut now kavias [3k?\]: w could threaten o10 group and make eye hockey [1d\]: burzo will take this EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 grimmjow1 [1d\]: f14 ? Levvo [-\]: Thanks hockey [1d\]: have some faith ] ;W[ff]C[Mikinek [3k\]: e14 ] ;B[gg]C[hanniibal [4k?\]: p9 q9 p8 hockey [1d\]: B easily took top ] ;W[fg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: nice move at f14 trippin [6k\]: why didnt he cut? ] ;B[fd]C[goren2 [7k\]: mirror go Syptryn [5d\]: cut would be lame Geoy [7k\]: This shape seems to be a theme Syptryn [5d\]: white sacrfices Syptryn [5d\]: and gets inside gogonuts [5d\]: if he cuts w just ataris from the outside Cassis0 [6d\]: h11 Robert0987 [11k\]: cant believe it...so many people play go dxxd [-\]: b made good choice i guess Zombieboy [6k?\]: c12? LittleDog [10k\]: b14 ? gogonuts [5d\]: good suggestion odolany [4k\]: k3 or sth? eoen [2d\]: black ahead? ] ;W[lj]C[hanniibal [4k?\]: p9 q9 q8 p8 ] ;B[nl]C[odolany [4k\]: is j4 safe? ] ;W[jq]C[Syptryn [5d\]: no ] ;B[ls]C[goren2 [7k\]: huh? Syptryn [5d\]: well now yes ] ;W[ho]C[trippin [6k\]: wow TheChemist [3k\]: over ] ;B[ir]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w letting the air out of bs dreams ] ;W[bh] ;B[cf]C[eoen [2d\]: is white ahead that much? Syptryn [5d\]: black looks ahead ] ;W[jr] ;B[js]C[Redcliff [6k?\]: poor b ] ;W[hr]C[fatihsulak [?\]: g2 Patmol [3d\]: I remember everyone saying b has no chances :) hockey [1d\]: not me ] ;B[lg]C[fekand3 [1d\]: ko Cassis0 [6d\]: b looks ahead Kuzuryusen [3k\]: not everyone ;) kostuek [-\]: i did say he crush him hanniibal [4k?\]: kill ] ;W[pe]C[Syptryn [5d\]: strange move Patmol [3d\]: w looks dead lol LazyDragon [3k\]: ko ... Hendrix [1d\]: nice ko =) dingogo [2k\]: new ko kurii [2k\]: p14 local no? StefanRadu [1d\]: giant ko kavias [3k?\]: huge ko ] ;B[bq]C[Zombieboy [6k?\]: ko for game? Fleymen [3k\]: Seems so. Cassis0 [6d\]: w has l8 ] ;W[co] ;B[qe]C[Kuzuryusen [3k\]: nope. b just needs a good trade dingogo [2k\]: the only chance gogonuts [5d\]: p9? hanniibal [4k?\]: o9 ] ;W[nk] ;B[pl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: o9, sry eoen [2d\]: i hope black wins LazyDragon [3k\]: w has local threats ] ;W[pe]C[Flexo [-\]: black has never won against w Flexo [-\]: 0:4 eoen [2d\]: This ko is not only about life or not ] ;B[bp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: today will respect tradition Mikinek [3k\]: ? Syptryn [5d\]: errr kostuek [-\]: its about love Syptryn [5d\]: white ignore? ] ;W[cr] ;B[qe]C[Syptryn [5d\]: whites follow-up is pretty big on tp eoen [2d\]: indeed Kuzuryusen [3k\]: to much points to lose there for w I guess hanniibal [4k?\]: white p9 after ] ;W[ml]C[hockey [1d\]: b feeling so good Moin9 [2k\]: Cornel only have to stay calm and then it will look pretty good for him hockey [1d\]: he gets hanami ko ] ;B[pe]C[Syptryn [5d\]: eh Flexo [-\]: he doesn't like flowers goren2 [7k\]: nooo trippin [6k\]: w is alive. dxxd [-\]: hm dingogo [2k\]: black stupid Zombieboy [6k?\]: I wanted w to die! Syptryn [5d\]: that's not good ] ;W[jl]C[Kuzuryusen [3k\]: black is good and calm LittleDog [10k\]: saves some points ] ;B[il]C[Syptryn [5d\]: white lives in sente zum [-\]: b covered huge aji ] ;W[kl] ;B[hn]C[Syptryn [5d\]: black should have at least played L-8 GoShinobi [-\]: yes I agree LeoMar [5k\]: i guess both in byoyomi now, right? GoShinobi [-\]: that he gets at least sente... ] ;W[iq]C[zazie [-\]: please... try to avoid comments as "black stupid", especially when there is something like 6 or 7 stones of difference between black and the kibbitzer... zazie [-\]: such as* Muramasa [1k\]: L8 P9....and ? ] ;B[bi]C[Flexo [-\]: how much stones necessary to call them stupid ?:) gogonuts [5d\]: good move quantum0 [3d\]: you have to be 3 stones stronger kavias [3k?\]: important ko ] ;W[ci] ;B[ch]C[eoen [2d\]: black smart flocc [3k\]: you have to be at least within 2 stones for "stupid" comments, and above by at least 1 stone for "very stupid" kavias [3k?\]: after l8 StefanRadu [1d\]: its verry close. ] ;W[hh] ;B[gh] ;W[gi]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ouch kurpikurpi [1k?\]: with 3 stones it's no more than "silly" RobertT [-\]: extremely stupid StefanRadu [1d\]: this game will end by a few points. Hightime [2d\]: stupid push eoen [2d\]: what a beatiful move ] ;B[ig]C[Muramasa [1k\]: oops joossy [3k\]: black is far ahead, am i right? Hendrix [1d\]: ouch GoGnom [2d\]: the same goes for poor b, i hate this one ] ;W[hi]C[Patmol [3d\]: I think extremly stupid never applies on such strong player ] ;B[ih]C[StefanRadu [1d\]: no. not far ahead. maybe by 1-2 points. Patmol [3d\]: maybe drunk or really tired but;.. Patmol [3d\]: not even very stupid ] ;W[bg] ;B[bf]C[RobertT [-\]: my grandma plays better then black Ulath [4k\]: some players play better when drunk kentia [1k\]: 1 or 2 point lead will vanish trippin [6k\]: i dont think its possible to play better drunk fatihsulak [?\]: n2 huge? Ulath [4k\]: maybe a drunk grandma would be 10p StefanRadu [1d\]: t4 big now for w right? ] ;W[mr]C[Syptryn [5d\]: getting close now ] ;B[kq]C[swatcat489 [9k\]: "b stupid" who the hell is he to say that? n0thing [4d\]: w a very little bit ahead imo Syptryn [5d\]: whites yose was nice ] ;W[bj]C[Syptryn [5d\]: getting h3 allowed him to catch up ] ;B[gn]C[fatihsulak [?\]: g6 Patmol [3d\]: b is still ahead hanniibal [4k?\]: black win StefanRadu [1d\]: b t3 too small now? ] ;W[go] ;B[rq]C[Hendrix [1d\]: s+77,5 ;) trippin [6k\]: e15 any good? Jazzman [1d\]: no Ulath [4k\]: p9 ] ;W[is] ;B[ks]C[goren2 [7k\]: t2 Patmol [3d\]: there's no komi right? LazyDragon [3k\]: w wants n5 ] ;W[sr]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: do I see bad KoReNJe [3d\]: or is b leading Patmol [3d\]: or is it an even tournament? kavias [3k?\]: sure it is Mikinek [3k\]: sure there is kurpikurpi [1k?\]: by the power of mathematics, i deduced b+5 MaLa [3d\]: why would there be no komi? ] ;B[gl]C[trippin [6k\]: math is great gogonuts [5d\]: hm, b leading by 5? gogonuts [5d\]: looks like it kurpikurpi [1k?\]: though it depends on komi being 0.5 ] ;W[lo]C[Moin9 [2k\]: w m5?? StefanRadu [1d\]: ok now. b wins. Moin9 [2k\]: yes^^ ] ;B[fm]C[swatcat489 [9k\]: komi is 6.5 RobertT [-\]: trade! Moin9 [2k\]: we will see ] ;W[fj]C[kurpikurpi [1k?\]: but it's a handicap tournament and they have 2 stone rank difference Syptryn [5d\]: 22 pts Patmol [3d\]: there's a lot of ppl around them Syptryn [5d\]: bot ] ;B[lp]C[Syptryn [5d\]: left bigger I think Patmol [3d\]: it was already dark.. but now.. kavias [3k?\]: yes, 6.5 komi. coffeehero [9k\]: link? ] ;W[ln]C[ikizukuri [2k\]: i think w is leading ] ;B[ko]C[Moin9 [2k\]: sente for white Ulath [4k\]: Wa14 then Fleymen [3k\]: The rules say 0.5 Komi. Ulath [4k\]: oops not a14 Mikinek [3k\]: ... ] ;W[ed]C[lexansoft [2k\]: b f5 works? ] ;B[dd]C[Kuzuryusen [3k\]: why not l5 at k5 ? goren2 [7k\]: j6? FieldMouse [6d\]: e16 neutral point :) RobertT [-\]: if by work you mean die horribly then yes ] ;W[ee] ;B[fc] ;W[fn] ;B[ag] ;W[ai] ;B[si] ;W[sg]C[FieldMouse [6d\]: w wins? ] ;B[gm]C[Patmol [3d\]: ?? duman [11k\]: d5 black? Syptryn [5d\]: so close... ] ;W[sq]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: b Ulath [4k\]: f15 ] ;B[sp]C[Moin9 [2k\]: hmm Syptryn [5d\]: B + 0.5? FieldMouse [6d\]: w+ a tiny bit i think goren2 [7k\]: d5 swatcat489 [9k\]: let's see Hendrix [1d\]: P8 hanniibal [4k?\]: d5 is funni ovidiust [-\]: t18 ] ;W[om]C[eoen [2d\]: nice Flexo [-\]: ah cool Moin9 [2k\]: ?? trippin [6k\]: d5! ] ;B[pm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ouch RobertT [-\]: b is doing good considering who he's playing Patmol [3d\]: yose is difficult now Hightime [2d\]: q9 Syptryn [5d\]: W+ 0.5 FieldMouse [6d\]: uh, yose is super easy now :) ] ;W[ok] ;B[pk]C[Syptryn [5d\]: white yose there better than expected :) dingogo [2k\]: q4 Ulath [4k\]: I would like f15 W Patmol [3d\]: white is strong ] ;W[in] ;B[im]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: SE can't compute score ;) kavias [3k?\]: koreans have a strong yose joossy [3k\]: f15 hanniibal [4k?\]: d5 is fun ] ;W[io] ;B[ms]C[fountain [1d\]: you re better in that than SE? svgo [2k\]: what's the komi? gogonuts [5d\]: yikes, its close Patmol [3d\]: 6,5 CptHook [5k\]: d5 is fun but nothing... quantum0 [3d\]: d5 c6 nothing here FieldMouse [6d\]: you just cannot read se score correctly :p ] ;W[ns]C[Hendrix [1d\]: d5 is good ko-threat =) gogonuts [5d\]: seok-bin won by 0.5? kurpikurpi [1k?\]: score estimator fainted from the pressure ovidiust [-\]: t18 ? swatcat489 [9k\]: now SE can't read Flexo [-\]: he did LazyDragon [3k\]: well, I'm usually more accurate, but SE is more precise ;) ] ;B[fe]C[Swifft [3d\]: something possible around p19? swatcat489 [9k\]: =)) swatcat489 [9k\]: lol gogonuts [5d\]: maybe they have a side-bet: the one that doesnt win by 0.5 loses Ulath [4k\]: f15 =/ kostuek [-\]: its not like he cant, more like he wont krut [1k\]: i count b just ahead Patmol [3d\]: ah?? why didn't white play there 1st?? absolute sente for him?? goren2 [7k\]: b2 first! ] ;W[oa]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: woooaa Flexo [-\]: mmhhh delicious Moin9 [2k\]: what?? Hanatarash [4k\]: w counted b ahead too Swifft [3d\]: hehe, just said it quantum0 [3d\]: big semedori ? odolany [4k\]: semedori? Hanatarash [4k\]: all in^^ Syptryn [5d\]: oh crap ] ;B[na]C[CptHook [5k\]: also b7 Syptryn [5d\]: white wins Patmol [3d\]: I mean..j6 was less important than f15 ?? ] ;W[ma] ;B[lb]C[Redcliff [6k?\]: ko :) svgo [2k\]: it's a hard knock life, for us Ulath [4k\]: maybe he forgot about f15 hanniibal [4k?\]: d5 is maeby samiai wiht c10 Asaliuru [3k\]: w is an evil genius ] ;W[de]C[joossy [3k\]: h13 ] ;B[ce]C[Patmol [3d\]: lol before O19 b take a time to look at w face :) Hightime [2d\]: d5 e4, what else goren2 [7k\]: b2 work? quantum0 [3d\]: d5 c6 nothing lexansoft [2k\]: se gave up ;) ] ;W[hg] ;B[hf]C[Syptryn [5d\]: WW 77 duman [11k\]: d5-c6-e4? hanniibal [4k?\]: d5 c6 e4 Syptryn [5d\]: B 81? Hightime [2d\]: d5 e4 over Syptryn [5d\]: W ahead swatcat489 [9k\]: lol ] ;W[pp] ;B[po] ;W[hj] ;B[hk]C[Muramasa [1k\]: d5 e4 RobertT [-\]: d5 e4 c6 b6 b5 b7 cry zum [-\]: (( Asaliuru [3k\]: o19 3 points gote ? Syptryn [5d\]: d5 c6 zum [-\]: go corn ] ;W[sb]C[goren2 [7k\]: b2!!! Muramasa [1k\]: c6 ??? ] ;B[pa] ;W[sa]C[Muramasa [1k\]: for what gogonuts [5d\]: nothing in that corner ] ;B[na]C[Syptryn [5d\]: W +3, or 4 now ] ;W[mg] ;B[kg]C[RobertT [-\]: c6 b6 Hanatarash [4k\]: ko threats in the corner Syptryn [5d\]: that corner cinched it for white ] ;W[qa]C[LittleDog [10k\]: just a few points ] ;B[sd]C[gogonuts [5d\]: endgame can really be the worst part of go ] ;W[se] ;B[ra]C[Peyote [2d\]: ofc gogonuts [5d\]: cornel must hate this wildaxt [2k\]: if d5 comes then white respond e3 swatcat489 [9k\]: w+3.5 wildaxt [2k\]: still dead swatcat489 [9k\]: =)) Patmol [3d\]: w is currently leading right? dingogo [2k\]: t5 Soulzityr [11k\]: why must hate? swatcat489 [9k\]: se said Ulath [4k\]: se says Cornel hate yose ? Syptryn [5d\]: cornel was close FieldMouse [6d\]: w was leading 50 moves ago - told ya :) ] ;W[dc] ;B[cc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: because he seemed well in the game, but w ground him down Syptryn [5d\]: I think white just has superior yose Syptryn [5d\]: heh ] ;W[qa]C[Syptryn [5d\]: yose really shows base strength or a person Patmol [3d\]: that is still amazing ] ;B[rd] ;W[sc] ;B[ra]C[Ulath [4k\]: yose shows yose strength of a person zum [-\]: so w chuban ama, yose pro ] ;W[ol] ;B[nm] ;W[qa]C[CptHook [5k\]: d5 now Syptryn [5d\]: actually stronger players could still play bad mid game Soulzityr [11k\]: i dont understand why that ko is so important o_O swatcat489 [9k\]: q2 Syptryn [5d\]: but in yose Syptryn [5d\]: generally stronger player ] ;B[do]C[Pelikan [3k\]: go Cornel go! Syptryn [5d\]: can always pull back kostuek [-\]: w cant win this ko hanniibal [4k?\]: yes kurpikurpi [1k?\]: manhood is at stake in the ko leachy [3k\]: strong yose shows pro player Redcliff [6k?\]: ko doesnt matter white's ahead Patmol [3d\]: Soulzityr, it's because the game is so closed ] ;W[ep] ;B[ra]C[Patmol [3d\]: they both think they need this to win Hanatarash [4k\]: w not e3 ^^ kurpikurpi [1k?\]: if you win the last ko, you can be happy even if you lost the game joossy [3k\]: black will win this ko ] ;W[rn] ;B[qn] ;W[qa]C[orro [1d?\]: any1 did the math? ] ;B[pr] ;W[ps]C[ADASD: who is leading? ] ;B[ra]C[kurpikurpi [1k?\]: w is looking to deny b this simple pleasure FieldMouse [6d\]: se NoBenjamin [2k\]: whats is komi? swatcat489 [9k\]: w orro [1d?\]: 6.5 Hightime [2d\]: 6 Ulath [4k\]: s4 g19x19 [8k\]: w+3,5 trdfgd: c6? NoBenjamin [2k\]: its really close then Syptryn [5d\]: 6-7 threats ] ;W[ah] ;B[af]C[Syptryn [5d\]: at bot left NoBenjamin [2k\]: like .5 close ] ;W[qa]C[ADASD: how much duman [11k\]: b6 Hightime [2d\]: nah kurpikurpi [1k?\]: at this level i suppose half point is close goren2 [7k\]: b7 ] ;B[bn] ;W[cn]C[swatcat489 [9k\]: now b+ 37.5 =)) SE say ] ;B[ra] ;W[rp] ;B[ro]C[GOGOD7 [6k\]: w 3.5 ] ;W[qa]C[Fleymen [3k\]: Se is blind ] ;B[bo]C[swatcat489 [9k\]: not any more lol ] ;W[cm]C[Syptryn [5d\]: black 8 threats ] ;B[ra]C[Patmol [3d\]: u have to know SE to have the good estimation.. Redcliff [6k?\]: no se is pro gogonuts [5d\]: se not an evil genius Syptryn [5d\]: white got luck 1 or 2? Ulath [4k\]: black is tired Syptryn [5d\]: black will win ko Patmol [3d\]: help him by playing some move to show which group is dead and which is alive ] ;W[ki]C[Peyote [2d\]: w +5.5 ] ;B[qa]C[Hanatarash [4k\]: no Hightime [2d\]: just 3 Moin9 [2k\]: do they count? ADASD: n2 is too big hhikaru [7k\]: if no komi b+0.5 swatcat489 [9k\]: 3.5 + w eoen [2d\]: Counting going on now Muramasa [1k\]: 3.5 Patmol [3d\]: they are playing dame zum [-\]: even game?? FieldMouse [6d\]: interesting, how the most comments are just made on the mosr unimportant phase of the game Redcliff [6k?\]: i thought cornel was 7 dan RobertT [-\]: 3.5 because SE says so gogonuts [5d\]: yupp, se has it right Patmol [3d\]: FM it's kgs comments.. LittleDog [10k\]: nice game ADASD: Q15 was mis then kurpikurpi [1k?\]: that's the stage where people can understand what's going on RobertT [-\]: although I've seen SE mark all the correct groups dead and still be off 30 points ADASD: should n2 then ko Redcliff [6k?\]: chinese counting should be easier imo Patmol [3d\]: most player don't even understand the game and most strong player took their time to comment EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+3.5 Hightime [2d\]: RobertT : the rule wasn't japanese then rosi [1k\]: what a pitty, cornel Redcliff [6k?\]: too bad ikizukuri [2k\]: what is the komi please ? RobertT [-\]: ruleset wouldnt make a player lead by 30 points more then they should have lol kavias [3k?\]: the rules are japanese orro [1d?\]: close but no cigar LazyDragon [3k\]: 6.5 kostuek [-\]: crush him next time graou: very nice game! wichtiger [3k\]: fuck Redcliff [6k?\]: does that mean inseong and seokbin will be playing? leachy [3k\]: well played both wichtiger [3k\]: fuck your uncle Hightime [2d\]: no, but it would break SE Redcliff [6k?\]: hey watch it wichtiger Patmol [3d\]: nice job eurogotv EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Yutian Niu 7p will play artem and Yao Wang 6p cornel, both 2 stone handi after this game RobertT [-\]: if so go would be pointless if depending ont he ruleset you could either be +20 or -10 wichtiger [3k\]: fuck eoen [2d\]: Thank you EuroGoTV Asaliuru [3k\]: bye wichtiger Redcliff [6k?\]: aw rosi [1k\]: thanks eurogo LazyDragon [3k\]: beating him on the board is pretty good, even though he didn't beat him by komi Fleymen [3k\]: THank you, EuroGoTV wichtiger [3k\]: fuck wichtiger [3k\]: fuck leachy [3k\]: goodbye wichtiger Redcliff [6k?\]: handi games :( Patmol [3d\]: Thank you for retransmitting LeoMar [5k\]: thanks eurogo! kavias [3k?\]: thanks Eurogotv ADASD: b mis at the end wichtiger [3k\]: fuck you Hightime [2d\]: nah, just SE Flexo [-\]: robertt, bugs in SE do make larger differences though wichtiger [3k\]: four FieldMouse [6d\]: one more wichtinger and you get banned Patmol [3d\]: could please ask the player to comment on your computer?? lol Redcliff [6k?\]: thanks eurogo wichtiger [3k\]: fuck you Patmol [3d\]: it seems very interresting n0thing [4d\]: those 2 handicap games will be broadcasted too ? chrpa [1d\]: thanks wichtiger [3k\]: fuck your eoen [2d\]: We are all said Cornel lost... Patmol [3d\]: with a lot of "Yeah but.." "This moment.." etc.. wichtiger [3k\]: fuck your pussy Redcliff [6k?\]: bye wichtiger Mebninja: be quied wichtiger wichtiger [3k\]: thx Hightime [2d\]: someone ban the kid wichtiger [3k\]: bye goren2 [7k\]: ban! Redcliff [6k?\]: yeah Gotika [4d\]: lol RobertT [-\]: bye bye Patmol [3d\]: and even a 3rd player commenting Mebninja: ban! swatcat489 [9k\]: agree Redcliff [6k?\]: waiting for the ban leachy [3k\]: man what a drongo Redcliff [6k?\]: is he banned yet? Soulzityr [11k\]: where is the commentary? Redcliff [6k?\]: well im outa here Redcliff [6k?\]: bye Patmol [3d\]: Could you say to Cornel that everyone here say he did great? kavias [3k?\]: he wants a beer now :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Yutian Niu 7p will play artem and Yao Wang 6p cornel, both 2 stone handi after this game, broadcasted on EuroGoTV, KGS and IGS FieldMouse [6d\]: he was sent offline :) Mebninja: bye n0thing [4d\]: well, that's great, thanks a lot Soulzityr [11k\]: how to view next game? Patmol [3d\]: (and of course w did too) kostuek [-\]: why that, he was that nice leachy [3k\]: thanks eurogotv! rosi [1k\]: ah fine, next chance for cornel kavias [3k?\]: Cornel says he was pressed by byo yomi and made a lot of weak moves in yose Fleymen [3k\]: Whenwill the next games start? svgo [2k\]: is that cornel's daughter? Patmol [3d\]: thx kavias EuroGoTV1 [-\]: in 15 minutes, maybe 20 kavias [3k?\]: you're welcome leachy [3k\]: are you there kavias? kavias [3k?\]: nope hanniibal [4k?\]: who win Patmol [3d\]: w kurpikurpi [1k?\]: it was a tie hanniibal [4k?\]: thx EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+3.5 kavias [3k?\]: I listened what he said on eurogotv Soulzityr [11k\]: when is next game GOGOD7 [6k\]: yay i was right Patmol [3d\]: they are explaining the P3 corner now EuroGoTV1 [-\]: next demo game pro vs ama in 15 minutes Soulzityr [11k\]: where are they explaining the p3 corner Patmol [3d\]: on eurogotv helpimlost: there is sound for the video? Soulzityr [11k\]: eurogotv .com? Patmol [3d\]: of course fieldwhy [11k\]: yes, but hard to hear EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Patmol [3d\]: yes hard to hear fieldwhy [11k\]: what they are saying Patmol [3d\]: mostly showing kavias [3k?\]: I think the little girl is Cornel's daughter vividmonke [9k\]: hmm what is going on? Patmol [3d\]: she took her fan so.. Patmol [3d\]: and the woman is on Cornel back so.. GralAnibal [7k\]: white resigned? KoReNJe [3d\]: haha KoReNJe [3d\]: can't believe this kavias [3k?\]: w won +3.5 KoReNJe [3d\]: w won? KoReNJe [3d\]: amazing Patmol [3d\]: bye kavias [3k?\]: have a good evening all GralAnibal [7k\]: oh GralAnibal [7k\]: no life at bottom vividmonke [9k\]: WOW w won GralAnibal [7k\]: B made some mistake at lower left Ruby [4k\]: W is 8D GralAnibal [7k\]: rank dont give anyone extra liberties oddalot [4k\]: was this the first round??? oddalot [4k\]: its says 3:30pm is the first round, and yet it's 1:30 were I live???? oddalot [4k\]: what's going on? ])